So I'm kind of research watching for a thing

[sapote]

And John Sheppard just called a planet's entire historical way of life "that crap".

I LOVE THIS SHOW. IT IS SO FUCKED UP

Who wants to help me research-watch? I would like to make a list of the Top Ten Atlantis is Colonialist episodes for seasons 1 - 3. The Tower is pretty far up there, but I especially want anything where they're all "we have the gene, neener neener" while dealing with a well-established civilization.

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[phnelt.livejournal.com]

Proud moments in colonialist history. That moment totally shifted all the power dynamics in the show. Up to that point it's the scrappy undernourished expedition, just tryin' to make do. But after that they have all the power with which to pass judgment over the rest of the galaxy. I miss the Athosians, man.

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

That might be part of why I hated him so. Because I was so *irritated* that they had to be bailed out by Earth. And I did love the cutoff from Earth vibe of season 1.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

It was the Voyager of Stargate. And now it's trying to be Deep Space Nine. And failing so hard. If they'd kept at being Voyager they wouldn't have so much trouble coming up with new stories to tell. I'm just sayin'

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

*nods*

If you fail to learn the lessons of Star Trek, you will be doomed to repeat their mistakes. (And if so, I'm hoping for "Spock's Brain" rather than the finale of Enterprise.)

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

why did you say the demon incantation? Do you have any idea what you may have brought down upon us?

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

The SGA team is brought back to Earth because the IOA has opened Atlantis to commercial ventures, including a much awaited Starbucks. Meanwhile, a paunchy and greying SG-1 drinks a few beers and gives us a few "remember whens" to introduce the clips about wacky Atlantis adventures. Levar Burton guest stars as the civilian engineer who is adapting puddlejumpers for use on Earth.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

aaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh. It BURNS! IT BURNS! My therapy bill is coming to you, and you know you deserve it.

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! My work here is done.

To be fair, you brought Trek into it. It was only a matter of time before my Trek issues came out to play.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

I should know better. Every time I've brought up Trek with you it's ended in trauma and flashbacks. When will I learn?

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

Trauma, flashbacks...and a fair amount of hilarity. Trek Issues: we haz them.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

Hey, who's your favourite captain? I mean, if we're going trek geek, we should do it right.

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

HAHAHA. OH GOD. I knew it would come to this.

Ok, here goes: I love Kirk without irony or shame. He is the poster child for White Male Entitlement/Colonialist Oppression and a number of other things. Also, Shatner. Ultimately? He is James Fucking Kirk. THE END.

(At some point I want to read some old skool K/S, for like, historical comparison. I plan to slash the hell out of them when the new movie comes out.)

Picard is pretty awesome, and I dig him a lot. He loses points for being on a show that is pompous, and that has Riker and Wesley Crusher on it.

I watched like 10 minutes of DS9, but Sisko is *cool*.

I like Janeway a lot. Not enough to watch the show past the first season and a half though. I have vague memories of a series finale that made me angry...but I can't remember why.

There is no Archer.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

This may be one of the first times we've disagreed on such a fundamental issue.

aside: hi sapote, how you doing?

Kirk kinda bugs me. I don't know why, he just does. I spend almost every minute of TOS slashing McCoy and Spock hardcore. I don't really feel the Kirk/Spock until Search for Spock. There, I said it. And even there I get this weird feeling like even within the text everyone thinks Kirk/Spock, even Sarek's all 'whatcha doing with his brain, Kirk?' and then Kirk's all 'he didn't give it to me! He gave it to...Bones'. Please don't kill me too hard, my mother she is sick, I have many starving children.

I love Picard deeply for the following reasons 1)Patrick Stewart 2)tea. earl grey. hot. 3)reads classic literature and quotes it. Often. I rather like TNG. It's so optimistic. I watch my share of bleak and/or depressing space futures and it's so comforting to me to be able to watch a show where it all works out. That people can get better. And that we can still be people when we do it, not glowy squids or whatever. TNG is my comfort place when I am sick. (HATE WESLEY THOUGH, OMG)

DS9 was good, even though it had this almost anti-TNG vibe. I always like to say that DS9 is the consequences. Which kind of sucks, sometimes. I think DS9 would be a wildly different show if it was made today. For example, one of the main characters self-identified as a terrorist. Yeah. Sisko is cool. And a good cook, which is a tremendous plus in any person.

Voyager was the Star Trek I watched real-time in an actual watching way, not a family tv time way. Next Gen was just going off air when I got aware of TV. I loved the series finale hardcore. The borg man, they just won't die. Janeway started off awesome and then got written more and more inconsistently as time went on, but I still love her to tiny pieces.

Let us not speak of Archer.

[sapote3.livejournal.com]

I am good! I twitchily associate Star Trek with those four VHS tapes were what my parents watched ad nausem while they Nordic Tracked in the basement , and with seeing the first Borg episode five hundred times. I am completely a Babylon 5 girl. Give me a series where the punch line is that EVERYONE DIES.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

If you had had cable at that time and actually watched, I think you would have more positive associations now. Star Trek is love!

[sapote3.livejournal.com]

I will not be too rude about your show on this already rude-to-shows thread? But we got fresh Voyager on home-taped VHS for a year or two.

It felt like eating styrofoam for breakfast cereal. I'm sorry. I fail at nerd.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

If we lived in a closed society of my own devising, I could have shunned you for that. Be glad we do not live in phnelt amishville.

[sapote3.livejournal.com]

You wouldn't shun me. I make you nice things.

Look, it probably is secretly the ickiness of fanning a show where my mother has OTPs. She cries over Riker/Troi! She cries over Kirk/Spock! If she had had the internet at my age her life would have been totally different.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

the best fictional outing I ever read was this: 'you know that secret love kirk had for spock? Well, me too'. That is awesome news about your mom, btw.

Maybe you would be the heathen outsider, whose technology we accept, but try to keep the culture separate?

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

HOMG YOU GUYS, I COMPARED SGA TO THE ENTERPRISE FINALE AND NOW THE SHOW'S BEEN CANCELLED.

*hides under blankets, so as to not accidentally cause the heat death of the universe or something*

[sapote3.livejournal.com]

I KNOW. This thread is now in such bad taste.

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

WHAT. Links, plz.

[sapote3.livejournal.com]

OH you meant THIS THREAD.
You realize it actually was your fault.

hiding from SGA woe in Trek nostalgia

[lurkmuch.livejournal.com]

See, I can totally roll with Spock/McCoy also - snark = sexx0rs. Did no one think to solve this the SG-1 Multishipper Way? (Angsty apocalyptic threesomes?) I'm curious about these early ship wars: surely you are not alone in shipping them.

Patrick Stewart is, indeed, a whole truckload of awesome. And I loved the optimism at the time. The few episodes I've seen more recently, I sort of choked on the pompous. And I am, surprisingly, fine with loving a show I don't care to rewatch.

I wandered away from Voyager mostly due to RL reasons, but it will forever endear itself to me as the show where I first noticed slashy subtext. (Tom Paris, invading Harry Kim's personal space and talking about what he'd learned in prison. O.o) There was a good couple of months where I shipped Paris/Torres something fierce.

Re: hiding from SGA woe in Trek nostalgia

[phnelt.livejournal.com]

Tom Paris, invading Harry Kim's personal space and talking about what he'd learned in prison. O.o AHAHA. Yes. Exactly. I loved the people on that show something fierce.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Spock/McCoy girl out there, but I'm too scared to check. I hope the new movie will give us a dizzying array of new pairings. Maybe Uhura will get more love.

Also, where are all the TNG/x-men crossovers? I mean, besides the published drivel. (those were so terrifying)