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sapote ([personal profile] sapote) wrote2007-10-22 08:11 am

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::sigh:: I think I've finally decided to give up all but carefully-chosen and cheerful Who meta and discussion. Because really, is there anything more buzzkill than having to defend all your character preferences like it's your doctoral thesis? Your doctoral thesis about killing puppies, to a roomful of professors endowed by PETA?*

Is it the het? Does het really bring the wank to the yard? Is there some meta reason for this that has to do with the patriarchy or overidentification or accessibility? Luckily, Who still produces good fic, great vids, funny macros, and, you know, episodes, so I think I'll get by.

Clearly, I have been both spoiled and sheltered by my other fandoms, which: hi, I love you all the more right now.

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*This is not about the race/class/religion meta. I like that.
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[personal profile] lazulus 2007-10-22 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
A good friend of mine [both RL and LJ] has dipped her toes a number of times in Who fandom and written some really very good fic. She says they are all batshit crazy, cliquey, rude and unwelcoming which - being that she is the nicest, most innocuous person on the planet - I think says it all!

So it's not just you!

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2007-10-22 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm, well, I wouldn't necessarily say it that way myself (though her experience sounds rougher than mine -) but you know, the other fandoms I'm in are for obscure little shows that you have to go out of your way to watch, where Who, though it's a fringe show in the States, is apparently a major part of the childhoods of the entire British Commonwealth. So it makes sense that Who fandom is too big to have an accessible group dynamic: they kind of need to break into subgroups, and turn people away, and also, it is true that the bigger the group, the more representatives of that 95th percentile and up of batshit crazy.

I think the only sane way of being a fan of something Who-sized is to have a small, sane group of people to talk about it with, and oh look, I have a friendslist already! So I will keep talking about Who here, I guess, I'll just try to do it in the least wank-attracting way possible. (And I have a WiP going that I really kind of love, which is in a rare pairing, thank jesus)

[identity profile] phnelt.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
It's like when you're at a party that you really don't want to be at or turns out to be not what you expected. The only solution is to find, or more usually, it's create a subparty. So here, right here in this entry, a mini Who subparty for you! um, topic, hmm, Rose as Little Red Riding Hood in Tooth and Claw. She subverts the paradigm but not entirely! Doctor=friendly woodsman, Queen Victoria=grandmother that manages to get saved. Maybe? I am so off tonight.

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
Oo, but Queen Victoria is both the grandmother and the wolf! While Little Red Riding Hood uses logic to differentiate wolf and grandmother, Rose asserts that instead of opposing archetypes, the grandmother and the wolf are actually AS ONE.

Don't make me get the Crone in here.

[identity profile] phnelt.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Rose is the maiden, Isabelle's the mother (I mean, no children but with the nurturing, you know?) and Victoria is the crone, and she embraces her function of death.

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
So what does the Wolf SYMBOLIZE, in the end? Mortality, which the Crone accepts into herself, thus making herself stronger and wiser? It is a lunar symbol, after all!

When the Wolf was destroyed by the Moon it assumed a crucifixy shape! This is about the destruction of male-dominated religion by the earthy-yet-treacherous Sacred Female! That's what it's really about.

[identity profile] phnelt.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
I was JUST about to say something about christianity and embracing the moon as the repressed feminine religion. Feared and misunderstood. See, Victoria hasn't fully developed into the crone, what with the clinging to the male world until she shoots that guy (act of understood and accepted violence) which leads to the getting bitten and the power that goes with it.

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
and thus she comes into her power. Isabelle is both strengthened and limited by the responsibilities of nurturing (ladies, back to the kitchen!). Meanwhile, Victoria is freeing herself of the last vestiges of male control and preparing to take over the world.

OMG there are monks. Victoria and the moon are opposed to monks! WE ARE SO RIGHT.

[identity profile] phnelt.livejournal.com 2007-10-25 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
Because in the end, she's all, no, don't look at my bite, Doctor, I am quite well, BANISH-ED, this is her statement of her alliance with the moon! We rock!

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
p.s. I need extra verses

on my first day of Season 3, my fandom gave to me!
some emo about Gallifrey

on my second day of Season 3, my fandom gave to me!
two crying teenagers
And some emo about Gallifrey

On my third day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
Three new Marthafen
&c
and some emo about Gallifrey!

On my fourth day of Season 3, my fandom gave to me
Four crazed shippers
Three new Marthafen
Two crying teenagers
And some emo about Gallifrey!

On my fifth day of Season 3, my fandom gave to me!
FIVE DAYS OF RACISM WANK*
Four crazed shippers
Three new Marthafen
Two crying teenagers
and some emo about Gallifrey!

On my sixth day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
Six pissed-off old schoolers
etc
etc

On my seventh day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
Seven excellent lolcats
Six pissed off old-schoolers
etc

And there I peter out. I have five more days to get through! I'm trying to go sequentially through the season, otherwise, admit it, Floating Fairy Jesus would have gone great on Verse 5. (RTD, I have decided to love you for these things.)

*again, I thought this was constructive!

[identity profile] phnelt.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
on my eighth day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
eight statue nightmares
seven excellent lolcats
etc

on my ninth day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
9 new threesomes (you know, with combinations)
eight statue nightmares
seven excellent lolcats
(etc and some emo about gallifrey)

on my tenth day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
ten phonesex calls
nine new threesomes
eight statue nightmares
etc

on my eleventh day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
eleven times hotter Martha (ok, I find this important enough to include, but I understand if you want something with how fandom kind of flipped about the Master)
ten phonesex calls
nine new threesomes

on my twelfth day of season 3, my fandom gave to me
twelve fairy jesus doctors!
eleven times hotter Martha
ten phonesex calls
nine new threesomes
eight statue nightmares
Seven excellent lolcats
Six pissed off old-schoolers
FIVE DAYS OF RACISM WANK
Four crazed shippers
Three new Marthafen
Two crying teenagers
and some emo about Gallifrey!

(I should so have been doing homework instead of this)

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2007-10-23 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
it works better with ten times hotter Martha, though any reduction in the reported increase in Martha's hotness is a LIE.

\o/
We should go internet caroling.
We should have other carols.

Oh god, the Trek people used to do this.

[identity profile] phnelt.livejournal.com 2007-10-24 12:12 am (UTC)(link)

I bet there are entire Doctor Who filk communities who do nothing but this. We could switch the phonesex and the hot Martha, because yes, it does work better.